Both can be gotten with twist. But, by pulling back on that stick I had easy access to reverse thrust, which makes slowing down and changing directions in space a lot snappier. I can say you really can go wrong either way you go. > Sales 04.08.20|The sheet for the Throttle has been updated (a button was missing). When it comes to calibration and programming, you will similarly need to find your own way with the community of users on YouTube and on message boards as Virpil offers next to no help in getting things squared away. Espaol - Latinoamrica (Spanish - Latin America), https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/request-for-more-than-32-buttons-virpil-throttle.443129/page-4. Hub 3.0 Powered 90W Data Hub, Multiport 16 Port Powered 12V/7.5A Adapter Still getting the 'need to remove some devices '. I will look for that in VPC config software. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. I found a couple of programs like this but some of them are no longer . Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hn34PHd34x4, Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8odaH98Yms. Still, you cant really go wrong with either choice. Its also mostly plastic, but in a good way. I have an idea from my previous setup, but never really got round to completing it for Exploring and even negotiation of the galaxy map, I need to sort this finally as Im using an old DK2 VR and must stop the temptation to use my keyboard, or mouse. You're not running all your USB devices through the one hub are you? The MCG Pro also has the brake axis and technically the flip-up trigger is ALSO an axis although more often used as a couple of different buttons. You are using an out of date browser. (The Alpha-R is on backorder along with the MongoosT-50CM2 grip as well). The configuration software is very detailed but complicated. and our I have a Virpil cm2 throttle and a vkb gladiator nxt. TL;DR: worth waiting and paying for Virpil over VKB if I'm leaning Virpil and want as many fingertip buttons as possible? Unless you know where they are on the sticks, it'll be very confusing. You must log in or register to reply here. Common sense tells me that the Gladiator NXT is the sensible option. Right now my mind is still on a throttle rather than 2 sticks and I'm looking at either the Virpil MongoosT or the VKB one that is allegedly coming in a couple of months. Where as the constellation/kosmosima grips where designed with twisting in mind. Most people get around this by using software such as Vjoy, Joystick Gremlin, or JoyToKey. It feels more robust than the Logitech X-52 and X-56, but lighter than the all-metal Thrustmaster Warthog. If I had to choose one it would be an Alpha L or R whichever was needed, and as a pair Virpil arguably makes the best HOSAS you can get. I read somewhere that you need the virpil software to tell the OS that it's 2 different inputs. This applies to the connector between grip and base. Only set up a profile for each device with the other unplugged. https://1drv.ms/p/s!AuHD2NL7qn3w3gxZVfByQOacohmx?e=RhWkjj. (e.g. Me personally I plan to upgrade to mcg ultimate with the gf mkIII base from vkb, when they come out for people who dont already have gf base in February. JavaScript is disabled. To learn more or opt-out, read our Cookie Policy. Plus half of what I would need from VKB is out of stock. 03.03.20|The sheets for the ALPHA-grips have been updated (the dual-push for the scroll encoder has been added and there was a problem with duplicating entries). After plenty of research my decision has come down to either Virpil - VPC WarBRD base with Constellation Alpha stick, VKB - Gunfighter MK.III base with SCG (Kosmosima) stick, VKB - Gladiator NXT (for the benefit of any noobs like me, this is a base and includes the SCG Kosmosima stick). If you use the Virpil software there's an option somewhere to divide number of controls into groups of 32. After nearly a decade of watching modest, incremental improvements in the space its nice to see a manufacturer innovating with their flight sticks. I have both and for me the VKB just wins out. You might want to look for something with versatility since a lot of REALLY nice sticks try to fit specific requirements, like DCS OR ELITE rather than DCS AND ELITE. A good USB powered hub should help with this. Better still, the Constellations side-mounted thumbsticks mean that you can actually navigate on foot without ever taking your hands off the joysticks. Is the base the same on both? The scissors gimbal is not very pleasant around center. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. Im looking at either going the virpil mongoos T-50 CM2 base with the mongoos T-50 CM2 grip or constellation alpha grip with the 200mm S curve extension for 554.81 euro (905.89 aud) (includes shipping). Theyre also beautifully powder coated, and come with all the bolts you need to make the attachment to the Constellation. Problem isn't your Virpil, Elite Dangerous cannot use past 32 buttons on a device. Generally you will find that Virpil is considered the top dog in the mid-range sim gear bracket. Starting to wonder about the all-metal construction with that new ultimate grip, and maybe investing in a heavier duty base. I also had several screw heads shatter as I attempted to remove them, either due to being made from weak metal or being gummed up with too much thread locking paste. Hey rick, yeah you will want to use Joy Gremlin or Universal Control Remapper alongside vjoy. This alone has made me settle on getting the Virpil base. I was hoping for something like this for Virpil Hotas. My advice, of course, is to give the scalpers a wide berth. Virpil's software isn't very intuitive. I've spent the last couple of days researching all this so here is my thought process which may also help with your decision. For space sims, I think Virpil has it over VKB hands down when looking at the Kosmosima vs Constellation Alpha. So I accidentally broke my TM Warthog yesterday, not a fun experience. Toe in and out being the most prominent I can see. The only other thing up in the same price and perhaps build quality (I don't truly know about them either other than what I've read here, they're trying at least) is Winwing but their stick option is much more limited in overall controls. You can also remove about an inch of height from the pedals, stripping off the rubber feet and the entire lower frame, to attach them directly to a custom flight seat. Looks like the Virpil devices need more power that I have available. I want to choose the best one for nice grip and feel, reaching buttons with s/med hands, good button placement, usability with Elite and SC, easy twisting for yaw and good centring with no drift. They release quickly, making storage a breeze. > DIY Question on the VKB customization software? WarBRD with more throw has some difficulties for center this heavy grip. If you fly helos, you will fall in love with this. The feel and build quality is like nothing else. Here's my mapping for Elite, perhaps a little out of date re: some of the macros I mentioned above, and admittedly I use my LH stick weird (sideways oriented as a throttle) so I've converted an axis to 'relative' mode with a button as reset, which removes it from use as a button in-game. It functions great and feels great. Anyone use Vjoy or similar to get past ED's 32 button limit? But, if youre looking to spend a relatively modest amount of money on a more general purpose device something that might work with terrestrial and space flight I recommend you take a look at Virpil Controls, a small European company that is doing some really remarkable work. And just last night the plastic peg for one of the hat switches snapped. Warthog grip and you are good to go. Can't speak for Virpil as I've got VKB, so disclosure, obviously this is possibly biased opinion. How convert Warthog grip for VKB standard:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YS3OC6-CBv4. Gonna sound real silly but I miss the days of walking into a electronics shop and being able to actually try the feel of the sticks out. I think that there's a good chance that the Gunfighter + mcg ultimate will take the spot as best consumer joystick on the market. September 8, 2019 in Hardware, Software and Controllers. Second, know that the current incarnation of the Virpil throttle box may simply be too much for most users. Gladiator is out of stock in Europe, Virpil say there is a back order on their stuff. A lot cheaper and for someone that isn't hardcore into tons of flying will be more than sufficient. Also the virpil stick might cost more as i have read that somepeople buying it in Australia have had to pay GST (tax) on it. I'm in a similar boat to you. They needed a bolt tightening inside to get rid of the wobble. That's it. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. It may take time. Bring from the UK, shipping was not too bad with about a week to wait after dispatch. But as far as quality of the gimbals, both are fantastic. Maybe you should try moving some to other ports on your computer if you haven't tried that yet. All trademarks are property of their respective owners in the US and other countries. It may show you something you did wrong. By Nevertheless, late last year Virpil sent along a selection of its most popular flight gear. That means you can easily arrange for a much more complex dual-stick set-up. Using a Virpil HOTAS in Elite Dangerous Ken Cikas 1.25K subscribers Subscribe 61 Share 7.4K views 2 years ago Finally got around to editing this down. By choosing I Accept, you consent to our use of cookies and other tracking technologies. Will cost me less money since I can just plug in my Warthog without having to buy that $50 adapter from VKB. My x55 stick looks like it's reached the end of it's life and I'm looking for a new stick first then we'll see. So far Im extremely impressed. For using the Warthog grip, the easier to work with would be the Virpil base, as it uses the same pinout/connections. If not, then you've configured the device incorrectly. Price isn't the issue as much as quality for me. i use a steam controller and nothing else mostly unless i need a hotkey for certain things on the keyboard. HOSAS made me a harder target to hit, and helped to improve my own aim especially with fixed weapons. I also built a button box arrangement into my chair power controls (seat adjust, subwoofer, surround shoulder speakers, cooling) and find I almost never let go of the sticks to USE the button box. I don't predict it being a huge game changer, but it's kinda the first time we've had an all metal grip in a high end joystick. If I want to upgrade in the future I can just buy the Gunfighter base and use the kosmosima stick (If VKB follow through and actually let you buy bases separately). Outline:0:00 - First impressio. First post here. Everything about it is perfect. And, just like everyone else, Virpils stuff is on backorder as well. Explaining the difference is difficult to do with words. Was looking at getting a new one but decided I might as well upgrade to either the VKB Gunfighter or Virpril T50 and would love some advice and opinions on both setups. I would not have thought there were no set binds for those devices, and its up to your personal preference to programme in. Money isn't really an issue for me. So just swap grips and flash firmware for the. Vectors which had previously been relegated to the keyboard or tiny hat switches were now integrated into the joysticks themselves. So vkb is not the first/only. Yes I followrd their guide. For more information, please see our They are both superb bits of kit though and you will not regret buying either. Maybe you should check out youtube and see the posts about how to do the setup. The ideal base for Warthog - a heavy(~1KG) grip plus extension is T50CM2. Valve Corporation. Edit: Didn't realize that winwing sticks were metal. If you have the budget for it, I'd say wait a week to see some reviews for the MCG Ultimate. There's only so much your thumb can roam around and do. Just got the Virpil Constellation Alpha-R grip with the Warbrd base, as well as the 50 CM2 throttle and elite doesn't see any Virpil hardware. It took me 6 months before I could get my order in for the Alpha. VIRPIL hardware - key mapping setups (PDF) for you to fill out You would basically map your joysticks inputs past 32 to a virtual vjoy device then you are all set. Has a learning curve for sure, but I wholly recommend Virpil. My experience with these sticks is in a HOSAS setup (With the MCG being part of my old HOTAS), so there may be some "synergy" for HOTAS binding considerations that might sway one way or another for the MCG vs Constellation. Maybe I have too many devices plugged in. So whats a budding flight or space sim enthusiast to do? Your right, MFG's have been on the market longer than the Virpil Ace's, but I couldn't identify a lot of difference, except maybe some of the adjustments you can make on the MFG's that you can't make on the Virpil pedals. I'd consider myself a fairly casual player that is fortunate enough to have enough expendable money for lavish purchases such as this. Dunno how it is usable in space sims. Oh, and to actually answer your question: both the virpil constellation and vkb kosmosima are fantastic. Same would be true with the Gunfighter. VKB vs Thrustmaster T16000M Ken Cikas 1.4K subscribers Subscribe 20K views 3 years ago Put about 170 hours into Elite Dangerous and this T16000M from Thrustmaster is about done so I. VKB offers an adapter that has to replace the stock connector/pinout in the grip. The biggest thing for me seems to be waiting time. The thing that really sold me on it is that the hat switches and mini sticks on the the top are completely modular, so you can literally just drop whichever one you like to suit your purposes without having to take apart the stick. I use Joystick gremlin, so elite can see all the buttons on the throttle. First, the documentation on these products ranges from awful to non-existent. I saw Vjoy mentioned as a solution but it seems to be half of the solution because it seems to require another program to virtually map the physical device (in this case a throttle). > Pictures I have the twist adapter for the original MCG and while the twist itself is great, the ergonomics of the MCG grip are not the best for twisting (as it was never really designed for that). If youre stuck on Microsoft Flight Simulator especially the big commercial airliners give Honeycomb Aeronautical a try. Its unique to you. Complete your WWII Flight Sim setup with this GNX Combo Throttle The game to get one is better than playing ED. It features a dead-simple clamp with an adjustable bite, which you can dial in to firmly grasp the edge of your desk surface and hold fast. Press J to jump to the feed. There really is plenty. in Elite I set one hat to move pips to weaps / sys / eng, 4th position being the 'reset', but I can also long press in the 'weap' direction to activate a macro that 'resets' and quickly bumps to my preferred overall 'fighting' weap-sys distribution, or same thing in the 'engine' direction quickly gets me to run-away distribution. If you buy something from a Polygon link, Vox Media may earn a commission. Better options out there? I'd pass on the NXT if your budget allows for something with cams. VirPil make easy use Tm Warthog (or Cougar) grip in their bases, since use the same connection nut and grip electronics. If youre playing a more hardcore flight simulator, like something from the DCS World portfolio, you probably already know about VKB. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I do play in VR pretty often, so the numerous buttons at my fingertips on the Virpil stick apeals to me. Been rocking dual gladiator Ks for a while now (they have been discontinued and replaced with the NXT) but just recently, with just under about 6 months of use I've been having a few small things breaking. VIRPIL hardware key mapping setups (PDF) for you to fill out, https://virpil.freshdesk.com/en/supes/47000029808-vpc-software-quick-start-guide, HOTAS Warthog Flight Stick - Thrustmaster - Technical support website, https://forums.frontier.co.uk/threads/controls-not-sticking.558432/#post-8792964. 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