In 1886, they were a simple German manufacturer of target and hunting rifles. Did Walther succeed and raise the bar yet again? Oh, make sure its empty and in a safe direction. A poor design on the Walther model that allows the . Loose front sight screw: This problem occurs when the front sight screw is loose. The screws in the compensator stipped after cleaning the gun 500 times. I was happy with the G19, but am now a convert to guns that have paddle magazine releases. And i also say that once the 3 stage trigger is mastered on the P99 it operationally is better than the PPQ. The Walther CCP M2 trigger has a short .27 travel and a short reset point. I want to work on precision shooting, noncompetitive for now. Dirty cambers or feed ramp: This problem can also occur when the chamber, the feed ramp, or both are dirty. easy to rack the slide, easy to eject the mag, and easy to operate the safety. I haven't had any problem with printing even with my "slight" frame. They unveiled a new pistol that they claimed would not only fix the P99s few faults, but would update its already advanced features and appeal to the American market: the Police Pistol Quick Defense, a.k.a, the Walther PPQ. Let me put it this wayafter six months of owning, carrying and shooting this pistol, I can safely state that the Walther PPQ M2 is everything the P99 isand then a whole lot more. I never set out to do a "from the box to the range . I have heard of a few guys who have over 40,000 rounds . I consistently hit a 10 inch plate at this distance using Remington Viper ammunition. Ive contacted Walther and the gun dealer, well see what they say and do. This hits hard because I feel how you do about sig (320) and my first pistol was a ppq. The factory P99 grips do tend to get really slick if you perspire or have anything on your hands. My thumbs just arent long enough to use most grip-mounted mag release buttons without shifting my grip. It doesnt bother me any. Having some problems with my Walther PPQ m2 jamming. I'd try swapping out the slide spring. Try a spare magazine, repair or replace it. Deformed parts: One cause is that the magazine or pistol is broken, the slide stop lever is broken, or the magazine tube is deformed. The P22 only good point was that during any use, you could repeatedly practice malfunction drills, that is if the slide did not fracture. Its especially a nice advantage if this is going to be your nightstand gun. Something better than the crappy sig mosquito. The simple fix to this problem is to clean the barrel, the chamber, and the pistol. It also has a loaded-chamber indicator: When there is a round in the chamber, a red marking appears on the slide due to the extractor being pressed. Jeremy is TTAG's Deputy Editor, working mostly behind the scenes but, when he attempts to write, he focuses on comprehensive gun & gear reviews. Really how hard is it to remove the magazine, confirm the chamber is empty (visually and tactically), and point in a safe direction and pull the trigger? The sights, trigger, grip are a grand slam. PPQ-M2 9mm stock is ready to go. How can someone dry fire safely but not follow a safe empty the gun procedure for cleaning. Dead trigger: One reason for failure to fire is the dead trigger. .177 Caliber Dual Ammo: Shoots Pellets and BB's Velocity: 495 FPS with Alloy Pellets Magazine: 16 rounds capacity double magazine (8x2) Smooth Bore Barrel Single/Double Action CO2 12gr Powered The P-430 CO2 powered air pistol shoots both .177 caliber pellets and BBs at 495 feet per second. Especially the smooth trigger. .40 being stupid expensive to be all test this test that with. If theres only one novelty of the PPQ that can without question set it apart from other pistols on the market, this is it. First check ammo, then magazines. Ammo-sensitive. Walther's New PPQ Subcompact Raises the Bar in the Concealed Carry Market (Full Review) by Jordan Michaels on October 18, 2018. . so get this amazing Feel The Beat Hoodie Moreover, it has a hoodie-style collar with a pullover front closure and rib knitted cuffs to hold your wrist. More importantly, you can disassemble the weapon without having to remove the barrel sleeve/adapter. Short answer: Yes to both questions. It is very astonishing for a .22. My advice is the ditch the factory sights on the PPQ. Cant have it all. Single shot exemption. Thanks!!! If the magazine tube is bent or deformed, the follower may not come. Total Points = 95 out of 100 possible. For one, the grips are textured much more aggressively than the P99. It has an incredible trigger and excellent ergonomics. Missing bumper: This problem also occurs when the bumper is missing. These are built by Walther, not Umarex. RememberI was a Glock man! It just looked odd to me. When the slide is in a particular position and you press the trigger, it will prevent the striker from cocking. Cant wait for it to arrive. It will go nicely with my laser engraved Spectre take-down pins, Totally agree. No offense but are you kidding? Interested in getting a handgun? Joe and I both really enjoyed Walthers PPQ M2 5 in 9mm. It has a much more attractive appearance, and a grip that cannot be topped. In this case, the slide fails to go forward to the place where the barrel locks up, and the disconnector allows the gun to fire. What are those first two rules again? Turned out the firing pin was snapped in half, and the grip frame wasn't made right. Im still working on improving my time. What's more, the PPQ M2 has been updated with a new traditional reversible mag release button. These troubleshooting tips will cover everything from failure to feed, to failure to eject. To say one is better than the other is just going to come down to what you like personally. Carries very nicely in my iwb Black Arch holster. PPQ M2 4-INCH 9MM Field Test. Walther P22 users have posted numerous complaints about the function of the weapon. Well, I have all of them Sig 1911, CZ, S&W and, of course, my favorite PPQ M2, which has fired already about 3000 bullets with no single slightest hick-up. Identical to its centerfire siblings. I added Talon grips on my P99 and once this is done ergonomically it is almost the same as the PPQ. You wont regret purchasing the 9mm (assuming you havent already). Jul 17, 2017. This is another on the wish list for me. PPQ M1 .40. I took the three supplied magazines, added the Taylor Freelance extended base pads and started shooting. Desirably ergonomic, smooth firing, reliable, accurate, loaded with a double-stacked magazine of 9mm, large enough to serve as my go-to sidearm for outdoor activities and yet condensed and light enough to be my concealed carry or self-defense piece if I need it to be, this is definitely one of my personal favorite handguns. They were pretty quick getting me an rma with a prepaid FedEx label, though I missed it for a few weeks because it was filtered to a folder I didnt check. So, yes, the groups above show that PPQ M2 .22 is pretty accurate. Ive shot many polymer pistols and the Glock 19 Gen 4 was my baby. I far prefer to check for a round in the chamber using the tactile methodworks in the dark, and without taking your eyes off of whatever they may be on. In all my shooting life, I dont think Ive ever come across a pistol that would be as hard to speak ill of as the Walther PPQ. I am happy with this. For the price the trigger was unbelievable. Broken extractor: This issue is pretty common with a PPQ. Im not registering my finger. The M2's pull weight is listed as 6.1 pounds, and it has a short, audible, and tactile reset, which is very nice. COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. Now I can field strip the PPQ and put it back together again in an average time of 30 seconds. Dirty Pistol: One reason for this issue is that your pistol is dirty. None of those issues are normal. I have one of these and the 22LR version. If so, stop shooting it, and call Walther. I purchased the M1. Looks normal. Actually, Joe is still enjoying it since he couldnt bring himself to return the loaner and decided, instead, to purchase it. But then Ive seen so many guys try to assert coolness by disassembling their 1911, Glock, or other pistol very quickly. Now she has to decide between this one and the P22. . PPQ M2,and PPS M2here. I cannot believe the firearm left quality control like that. The firing pin has nothing to do with your problem. If I had to choose between the PPQ and the VP9 I would take the PPQ every time. The other surprise was how comfortable it felt in my hand. If you get a good firearm from Walther you might be good. With most modern service pistols, you can do a moderate amount of dry fire without snap caps. Despite being a complete gun, with a street price of like $310 to $340 the PPQ .22 is actually less expensive than many conversion kits. So I just got my new PPQ M2 - 9mm, 4" barrel, and took it shooting Monday. Ive got ~2500 rounds through my M1 at this point. I put my G19 on a shelf in preference of the PPQ M1. A lot of people seem to complain about a sharp recoil, muzzle flip? There are tons of options in .22 WMR (winchester magnum rimfire aka .22 Mag) for legitimately jacketed, not plated, bullets. Walther said that is all they had because the gun (original version) is no longer made. If that were the case then my Neos wouldnt work, and neither would the Glock conversions. Also, thanks to the .22 LR magazine being so slim but the PPQ .22s grip being the normal width, the pistol benefits from a sweet magwell. Field Test Results for the PPQ M2 4-Inch 9mm for Each of my 10 Criteria: 6. Fit and finish are beautiful as well, this is a really nice firearm when you inspect it, unlike the colt and sig 1911 22s. So if you like the PPQ except for the trigger check it out. Hard to pass up. One of the reasons I love my CZ Kadet Adapter .22 LR upper conversion for my SP-01 is that it allows me to shoot .22 LR with the same grip, controls, and trigger as my go-to pistol, and the PPQ .22 can also provide this kind of experience for centerfire PPQ owners. Plus Ive got more NEW people into shooting 22s with a can than anything else. Project Appleseed: Learn Marksmanship, History and a Little More. It happens because the slide and barrel move into the battery. A firm tap from the back put it back in place. Does anyone have any suggestions to fix this issue? Shooter-induced limp wristing: This problem can also occur due to limp wristing. Jose, I think youve put your finger on the problem. I will make it a point to try. Broken striker after dry fire practice: If you do dry fire practice without snap caps, then your striker will break. The PPQ also has a trigger safety and internal safeties as well as a loaded chamber indicator, an oversize magazine release that can be reversed for left-handed operation and of particular interest where performance is concerned, Walther's Quick Defense Trigger, a super smooth squeezing trigger with a light 5.6-pound trigger pull (mine actually fired at just under that), less than a half . But nope. . The basic maintenance and care include springs and parts that you should monitor every 5000 rounds or so. They were both failures to feed with a brand new shooter who did not have a strong enough grip. Unfortunately it was not a pleasant experience. Its a marked improvement over any other pistol Ive ever fired, and its what I look forward to the most when I shoot the PPQ on the range. Easy for me to rack the slide. Shot about 150 rounds through the gun. No doubt this gun has a nice grip/feel. Walther PPQ M2 OD 9mm. However, there still isnt much in the way of aftermarket support for things like sights. I sent it to . I made three attempts with Customer service. She prefers it to the Glock 19 by a huge margin. Not sure about what's being said on the forums, but I can offer my own personal experience: Thx all. Alright, the dragons mouth on the end of the barrel is too awesome to ignore.just saying. Luckily he was following range rules and had it pointed downrange. Finally. I have the PPQ M2 with an Apex trigger upgrade. The barrel and the slide are not correctly aligning while going back to the battery. Manipulating the firearm is very easy and folks with minimal hand strength would have no issues. Seems like you would want a quicker reset for a defense gun What do I know? Squib load: You need to clear your barrel to get rid of squib load. So, make sure to use enough force. Height: 5.4 inches. New. However, the normal PPQ .22 mag is a 12-rounder, which does set it apart from the very much industry standard 10-round capacity. I really dont want to let her go. I got an SR-22, which is great, no doubt, but just a little small for my mitts. Also you could use P99 mags in a M1 PPQ and there was at least one aftermarket mfg who made them for those guns, the M2 mags are proprietary and only Walther makes them currently. Their representative Conner in customer service, refused to have it returned for Walther to fix the firearm. Did I read that new Walther PPQ M2s are having issues? Looks like James Bond just found a new gun! Is the PPQ perfect? Additional magazines run about $24. The PPQ is my absolute favorite handgun to shoot at the range, but Id never carry one for defense given the ultra-fine reset. My Sigs and H&Ks sit in my safe. I got it the first few months it was out, maybe the first batches werent the best. . An unintentional magazine release means that the magazine drops unintentionally. I ride the trigger gently when shooting, and I had several unintentional double taps under recoil with the PPQ when shooting for speed. What ammo do you use on your PPQ M2? Dirty pistol: Yet another reason for this malfunction is a dirty pistol. I was shooting Winchester Ranger ammunition .40 S&W 165 grain. All though I am by no means a professional shooter, I was quite impressed with the accuracy for a polymer 9mm pistol. ThenI picked up and shot a PPQ. Running 22 pistols with my cans is just too much fun. 9mm Pistol, Gun Review: Taylors & Company TC9 1873 SA Single Action Revolver, Classic Gun Review: Marlin Model 39 .22 Lever Action Rifle. Everything is not only right where I naturally need them to be, the controls on this pistol are fully ambidextrous or reversible. I have had a completely different experience with Walther P22s. I have both, but I prefer the PPQ, for its trigger. Also, are there any other rear sights available (such as a two dot), instead of the plain black rear sight? Prolly not your issue, but if I can't fix a gun issue, it goes back immediately. Like most factory sights on a pistols they do leave a lot to be desired. Feels great in the hand and more accurate than any other pistol I have. This time Im calling dibs, and just plunked down some sawbucks of my own to add this bad boy to the stable . Walther Arms has always been a gun company thats taken higher steps in innovation with each new firearm. Ergonomics: * ** * The stainless steel construction is excellent. I have avoided buying .22 guns simply because I can hardly find ammo for the ones I already have. Walther PPQ. Try some better quality ammo like WWB. Twenty-two years later, the company had produced their first pistol, the Model 1 in 6.35mm. If it keeps up I'm going to have a gunsmith look at it. The problem of slide stop early means that slide stop is bumping up early when the magazine still has ammunition in it, but now its prematurely locking slide over. Question of the Day: Should Disguising a Real Gun as a Toy be Illegal? If I had to choose between the PPQ and a CZ, Glock, M&P, Steyr, XDm, the PPQ would lose every time. So it would fire, it just wouldn't reset itself to accept the next round. I also purchased the thread adapter separately to use a supressor later. The Walther PPQ M1 is my favorite for now. I spanked her with Trijicon HDs and carried her in a Black Mamba and felt that we could now rip the knob off the radio dial! Another malfunction you might face with your PPQ pistol is the failure to extract. (Thats all I brought with me.) Below mentioned are the causes and solutions of this problem. Now I have 2 awesome 9s! Below is the probable cause of this problem and its solution. Every gun has an Achilles heel, and for the PPQ its the limited number of aftermarket accessories. However, the real-life fun on the range shootable accuracy of this thing, which is more important to you or youd be getting Walthers GSP instead, is amazing. The Tenifer finish is as tough as nails. Walther CCP M2 Serrated Trigger and Trigger Guard Checkering 3. After ~3k rounds still no issues other than some dirty Armscor FTEs. Caliber: 9mm, also available in .40 S&W. Capacity: 15+1 for 9mm, 11+1 for .40 S&W. Sights: front sight is 3-dot low profile polymer; rear sight windage adjustable, steel night sights available, I was definitely pleased to see this PPQ run everything. Ive been searching but cant find anything (which may be my answer) that supports a concern about current Walther PPQ M2 9mm 4 reliablity and factory response. Haven't had any of these issues with mine. I thought these days that stuff was for cartridge collectors only. Unfortunately it started just as I began using a fresh shipment of several thousand rounds of an especially square olgive so I had no way of testing things. Wife shoots PPQ-M2 9mm 4" in IDPA and it has not given her any problems in many 1000s of rounds. And to prevent this problem, ensure that you use the proper lock tight on your front sight and the proper torque. Steel targets no problem. Its one of the most corrosion/wear resistant finishes you could ask for on a production pistol. Below are the probable causes of failure to fire and their suitable solutions. Only thing done is to experiment with different recoil springs. I like a little more wiggle room when shooting under stress. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. . Around 3000 rounds in less than a year on mine and still loving it. Also the P22 and the M&P22 and probably others as well. Yes, I dont like that you need to pull the trigger to remove the slide, but there is no decocker. Clean and lubricate your PPQ to avoid this problem. Every person is different, so thats why the PPQ comes with three different backstraps. Otherwise, the review is spot on, great pistol, sublime trigger, not a lot of aftermarket support although the 1913 rail helps with universal accessories, and for the most part P99 holsters work perfectly. Walther PPQ M2 Tungsten 9mm. Im curious though, at 15ft+ I can still get a nice group, but it is always a bit higher than where I actually aim. Weak recoil spring: You can also have this issue if your gun has a weak recoil spring. Walther PPQ M2 .22 LR 10-Round Magazine 51060102. I never see Walther anything at any local gunstores. Whats the difference? Most striker-fired 9mm on market (such as P320) need a lot of work. Having diverse .45s and a Glock 20 (with an extra .40cal barrel), I went with the PPQ. That isnt an uncommon thing for folks to do and itll probably obscure your sight picture a bit here. Oddly Aguila pistol match (925 fps) and RWS pistol target (also ~900fps) also did cycle well, though I only tried one box of each due to cost. The solution is to check magazine and magazine release for proper engagement. And it does just look nicer with the paddle release. True. I can only imagine that the 5 version with its longer sight radius and fiber optic front (something Im used to from my competition gun) would be even better not that it would matter under like 30 yards, where I feel like Im basically incapable of missing with the PPQ .22. [Well, as long as primers are well seated!] Evaluate and correct it. Using my index finger, I can drop the mag without breaking my grip, something that I never seem able to do with a button release. Also Read: Best Sights for Walther PPQ M2. While by no means am I attempting to trash GLOCK, the only advantage I can think of that the G19 has over the PPQ is availability of aftermarket parts and accessories. Whatever works for you is what you should go with, so try out all three before making your decision. Makes a fine little carbine and accuracy at distance with just the pistol is amazing. Put Trijicon Orange Dot HD night sights and a Crimson Trace green Railmaster Pro, and you have the Ultimate Home Defense rig. Underpowered ammunition: The cartridge does not reach back to the ejector when the ammunition is underpowered. I personally do not want to own a firearm from a Company that will not stand behind their product. very reliable, at least with one type of ammo Plus, theres other lead exposure from shooting bare lead bullets and it messes up the inside of your suppressor a lot more as lead will vaporize and fragment off from the hot gasses and going down the bore, etc. While Im personally not a fan of adding lights or lasers to my pistols, I know some other people are. Sorry, that was a bit sloppy and colloquial rather than technically accurate. What a target like that doesnt say is how easy a gun is to shoot accurately when youre out on the range. Equipped with standard three-dot, polymer sights, the PPQ has accompanied me on almost every shooting day since I purchased it, and for good reason. I'd say if it's lubed, and eating good ammo it shouldn't jam up on you. Its great to have the similar features and accessories etc, but the sights are different and the back strap is fixed. The only downside is I cant find mags anywhere. I would love to see how it performs in competitions in the hands of a pro. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. Walther PPQ M2 FDE 9mm. So I suppose the ability to handle the front-weight without feeling to unbalanced would be preferable. Pulling the trigger is not a big deal. The .22 LR version loses a star, however, for dropping the swappable backstraps of the centerfire models and for the slide catch lever that Im not entirely compatible with. potentially concealable Therefore this is a left-of-center pistol. I purchased an additional 15-round magazine for $42, and from what Ive found, they sell for roughly the same price around the country. A check of this pistol at a Smith forum might indicate the same problem. These guns are tack drivers. . A lot of that was due to the weapons ban of the 90s and restrictions that were put on the pistol for importing to the US. I had never shot that round before. 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